Comments on: info: Ireland

By: Mary

Mary — Sat, 12 Sep 2009 15:28:06 +0000

Hi John,
May I make some correction to your statement. Ireland has a domestic right of indefinite leave to remain. This right is only granted after eight years of lawful residence in the state and it is unfortunately only granted to those who do not intend to apply for naturalization. It is not an entitlement as it is granted at the Minister for justice discretion. There is no right of permanent residence for non-nationals except those who are on work permit conditions-they are granted long-term residency.

By: ADESINA AJAO

ADESINA AJAO — Tue, 21 Jul 2009 18:21:12 +0000

IF BOTH OF YOU ARE LIVING IN IRELAND,IT SHOULD BE EASY FOR YOU TO APPLY ON FORM EU1.
YOU NEED TO PROVE YOU ARE EXERCISING A TREATY RIGHT IN IRELAND.EMPLOYED,SELF EMPLOY,SCHOOLING OR SELF SUFFICIENT PERSON.GOOD LUCK

By: John

John — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:31:59 +0000

They are just simply control freaks who spend all their thinking about how to exploit Non-nationals. Ireland is the only country within the EU that does not have a domestic right of indefinite leave to remain. What they call a right of permanent residence is five years residence document. When they can simply grant non-nationals who have resided there for five years a permanent residence permit renewable at the expiration of the applicants passport but granted in a written document as applicable in the UK and other EU countries. But they are greedy, selfish and racists in knowledge, approach and principles.

By: John

John — Tue, 23 Jun 2009 16:21:47 +0000

I read through the comment of Highpraise and felt I should drop a line. Most of the documentations being required by the Irish embassies and the dept. of justice in Ireland are illegal and in breach of EU-law. Once it is established that there exist a family link, they should normally issue the residence doc.
As long as the union citizen is exercising Treaty rights in the host member state and the non-EEA family member can establish a family link, then the host member state must issue the permit. The difficulties you might face in Nigeria is with the Nigeria immigration authority who often lack knowledge of EU-law.Otherwise, if you were within the EU,I would have advised that you stop wasting you time with the Irish embassy in Abuja and just buy a ticket and fly to Ireland. But because of the possibility of being inconvenienced by immigration officers at the departure area in Lagos or Abuja, I would say you are better of giving them what they are requesting otherwise they would frustrate your journey.

The way they implemented the entire citizens Directive is incorrect and that includes the right of permanent residence for EU nationals and their family members. If you check the requirements in the form for permanent residence, the same inapplicable documentations are being required. The law say after 5 years family members acquire the right of permanent residence-which is an independent right. But for a family member to be granted the right, Ireland say that the Union citizen must co-sign the application form. As if the right is still contingent or derivative after five years. Whereas the only grounds a family member can loose that right is if they reside outside Ireland for more than two consecutive years or they constitute a present threat to public security.Even the Departure, divorce and death of the Union Citizen under specific conditions does not affect the right of residence of family members. E.G, when the family member has resided in the host state with the Union citizen for one year in the presiding three years. So the question now is, why does the family member require any documentations from the Union citizen if their right of permanent residence is independent and unconditional.If they have acquired an independent right, surely, they do not require papers from the Union citizen. What if the Union citizen has left the state at the end of five years legal residence, would the DOj deny the non-EEA national the right of permanent residence for want of documentations or signature of the Union Citizen?. Rubbish.

By: eumovement

eumovement — Sun, 21 Jun 2009 21:39:58 +0000

Is there a particular reason he has been on a Green Card? Is there a reason you would want to keep him (specifically) on a Green Card, rather than shifting to 4EUFam?

You need to take your UK passport, his passport, and your marriage certificate. Proof of exercising treaty rights comes when he applies for the 4EUFam card, not when he gets the visa (though the embassy may not know that).

What does he have in his passport? Why don’t you just get on a plane and fly home to Ireland?

By: HighPraise

HighPraise — Fri, 19 Jun 2009 12:29:46 +0000

Hello, i have found this site very enlightening.
My husband had a green card in ireland which has been renewed regularly since we had our daughter in ireland 9 years ago. He failed to renew it for over a year until suddenly he had to rush back to Nigeria on an emergency (goes to nigeria regularly) and was told by Gard that bcos he had notrenewd his card for so long that despite the dire strait situation he was in resulting in emegency travel he would have to renew it in nigeria.

He has been there since last year and they are asking for my proof of exercising eu treaty rights (i am uk Citizen) and proof of address i think. I am about to commence a 6month CIPD course this month in Dublin …does this meet requirements?

Do they have the right to ask for such doc evidence apart from proof of family link (we have been married for 13 years)and what would you advise that we do before i go with him to Irish embassy in Abuja as a family to apply? Please help!!!

By: John

John — Tue, 09 Jun 2009 12:29:25 +0000

I also agree after my research of countries within the European Union that the Republic of Ireland is the only country that has not laid down a right of indefinite leave to remain or permanent residence under his domestic immigration law for non-nationals who have resided there for more than five years. It would seem to us that majority of those non-nationals who have been granted leave to remain in the country, are constantly being requested to pay €150.00 for the continuous renewal of their residence permits and also to pay €100.00 for a re-entry visa whenever they travel outside the country. This to us is exploitative and disproportionately unfair. Now we know why they have consistently refused to grant these non-nationals who have resided there for more than five years indefinite leave to remain because they are directly exploiting them. Some of these non-nationals have been resident in Ireland for more than ten years and are still subject to renewal of permits with pay. Most of them have been refused naturalization and the Irish authority continue to exploit them.How long would the Department of Justice continue to renew these permits for? And when would they introduce a right of permanent residence for those non-nationals who have resided there for more than five years?. When would the greed, selfishness and exploitative discrimination cease?.

By: John

John — Fri, 05 Jun 2009 12:12:13 +0000

I totally agree with Mary’s comment. I think it is very unfair and unjust for the Minister of Justice to be refusing applications for naturalization for non-nationals in Ireland on the grounds that they are unemployed due to the affects of the economic meltdown on jobs and the economy. I think the Department of Justice should seek a process where the past employment history of these non-nationals are taken into account. Surely, the Minister must be able to ascertain those who have always worked and paid taxes since their residence in the state but who lost their jobs due to the economic crisis and those who cannot find jobs due to the economic meltdown.

But this act of discriminatory refusal of applications for Naturalization should stop because it is not right to act this way as a nation.

By: Regina

Regina — Sun, 10 May 2009 12:09:03 +0000

I’M brazilian citizen living in Ireland for 4 years, i first arrived here in a stundent visa, i got married to a brazilian guy here in Ireland and together we had a child here in ireland, the company where my husband works applied for a vork permet last year, and we also applied 2 years ago for a green card for that i do not renewed my visa thinking the process would be fast once there was somebody helpping us in the immigration,but it did not happen yet and i’m still wainting the green card process. it is in stand by in the immigration and i have a process number, i send a letter last month and they said the applications are dealt with in chronological order and they will be in contact in due course. My problem is… i’m not sure if i’m considered illegal here once i’m waiting for this process and also i had a son here, now i’m separeted from my husband for infidelity, i love this country and i do not want to go back to my country, but i do not want to continue “illegal” here, for my son i need to do something, please help me, what i have to do? I do not know if i have to continue waiting for these process and my “ex-husband” (separeted only in corps) said if here gets the work permit from the company he works (i work in the same company) i do not have rights about it, is it truth? I’m lost, worried for my son and willing to do the right thing. Please advice me what to do? I don not wanna live my home, Ireland is my and my son home now. Tyvm

By: Tope

Tope — Wed, 08 Apr 2009 18:33:38 +0000

I got married to a british citizen in 2006 in my home country, Ghana and we lived together in UK for 2 yrs (illegal immigrant)
He recently relocated to Ireland where he got a new job, is there any way i can regularize my status as a married parner of an eu national, even though i am currently living in ireland illegally. Your help with this is greatly appreciated.